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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 649

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for the 23rd of january 2022 richard

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saunders coming to you from sydney

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australia

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and after weeks of very

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muggy muggy hot muggy weather today is a

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little bit muggy and overcast and not

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and then patchy and then a bit of rain

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i was fortunate enough to score some

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uh tv work during the week which was

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uh much needed

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but getting home from that on the public

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transport system when it's this hot and

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muggy

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especially when you just miss a bus

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the other bus doesn't come

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and the trains are

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delayed um oh well

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coming up on this week's show

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i speak to pontus berkman from

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malmo in sweden and of course pontus is

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a co-host of that fabulous podcast the

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european

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skeptics podcast the real esp experience

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pontus is going to tell us about the

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results of a

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very large survey undertaken about what

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people in sweden

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all sorts of things from

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climate change to conspiracy theories to

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creationism and on

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an interesting little

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uh what shall we call it

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interesting little look into

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the thoughts of the swedes

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and i wonder what the situation would be

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in your country if a similar survey was

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undertaken

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anyway that's coming up at the top of

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the show

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with pontus berkman

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following that it's a little segment i'm

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just simply calling bits and pieces

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just news items that have come my way

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from listeners

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and maynard hello maynard uh just about

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some covered craziness and some sad

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stories unfortunately and another one of

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those crazy advertisements that have

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appeared on my facebook feed this one

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for an et communication seminar

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then to round off the show in the trove

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segment we're going to be looking

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through the historical records of

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newspapers and so on for references to

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now a bit of a heads up i'm absolutely

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thrilled and delighted to be

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to have been asked by the gold coast

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skeptics hello dr paulie

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to add to give a presentation and i'll

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be doing that in february and this is

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online of course on the 21st of february

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here in australia i'll be giving my talk

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about strange energies

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and even stranger

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devices this is one of my favorite talks

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updated for 2022

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and if you google

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gold coast skeptics up in queensland

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there or just follow the link

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in this week's show notes you can

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register for this online event it will

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be monday the 21st of february here in

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australia from 8 30 p.m

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a little bit about the talk

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in this talk long time skeptical

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investigator me richard saunders takes a

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look at just some of the many claims of

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oops which is energies

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unknown to science

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can a set of headphones really diagnose

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your ills

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can a lump of resin plugged into the

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wall clear your house of negative energy

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does cosmic energy fix rising damp

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find out as richard guides you through

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these and other amazing claims

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talk followed by questions and answers

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online socializing bring your own cuppa

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drink snack etc and that'll be on zoom

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and i look forward to uh

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seeing you there on the night and maybe

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at least trying to answer your questions

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well it's not a great day for uh

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though i do like to walk along the beach

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sometime have the water lap at my toes

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not like the other week where i was

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water lap at my toes and a sort of freak

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it took me a minute to realize that my

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been swept out to see oh dear

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time and it wasn't swept out the sea

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uh so next time i go to a paddle by the

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i'll be a bit more careful how does that

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but for now it's time for me not to run

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to the ocean to the beach it's time for

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and have a nice healthy

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joining me now all the way from

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beautiful malmo in sweden it's none

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other than pontus bergman hello pontus

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hey sanhe san richard very nice to be

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back on the skeptic zone again great to

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see you we are looking at each other and

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i must tell you that your delightful

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co-host annika is in australia at the

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moment and we were to meet up and

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interview and have a look for a ghost or

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something like that but because the

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covert situation here in sydney in

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australia is not so good not so good

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she's playing it very safe so we've

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simply had to um greet each other on

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online which is a bit of a

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disappointment yeah too bad but i can

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unders i can understand now pontius

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to a survey in sweden all about the

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paranormal and the supernatural and

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pseudoscience what can you tell us about

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that right yes that we so what we've

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done is it's called the vof study or the

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vof study vof being the acronym for the

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into the linguistic part of that but

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first time in 2015. we paid a

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statistics really right because we don't

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that question so yeah or answered that

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with this concept and that's interesting

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bit bigger than i thought it's not a big

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surprise it's a pity it's that number

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conventional farming which means you use

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more land yeah and using more land is

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the big problem when it comes to

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humankind so views about humans and

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humankind that's a big subject but the

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species into races

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so basically are you a racist and we

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couldn't ask we couldn't ask that

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question because that was uh a little

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bit too

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you do you don't get honest answers

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there yeah so what one question that we

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asked that was very interesting was uh

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humankind uh is made up of racism with

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different

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uh inherited

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personality traits

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so we so we this is you have to parse

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that question a little bit but our

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thinking was that if you say that as

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person has certain personality traits

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because

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he belongs to certain race and you

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answer that with yes that means that you

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believe that there are different races

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that are very different or at least

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different so 17

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reply that they agree to some extent

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that humanity is made up of different

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races

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and that's rather high

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and the interesting thing is uh that

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when you divide that and you ask who who

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has replied that

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it is very much up to you it correlates

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very well with your political

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uh

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feelings right so followers of the

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sweden democratic party which is our

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very

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most right-wing party in in sweden who

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has built their whole agenda about

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the best thing every every problem has a

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solution and the solution is always to

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deport foreign people that that's

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so they have one solution and they apply

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to all the problems 47 of them agreed

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that humanity is made up of races with

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different inherited personality traits

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that's very high

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the green party supporters on the other

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hand it was only five percent

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then we can go into health and illnesses

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yeah well that's a very very good topic

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to look at right at the moment because

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of the worldwide situation

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so actually we found that a lot of

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people are okay with vaccinations they

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are not

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very

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scared or vaccine hesitant which means

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that

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the people who are

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are not that many but they're very loud

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because you hear them all the time

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same here i think and

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22 of the swedish population believe

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that the coronavirus was created in a

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lab i i can't say for sure that it was

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not

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but there's no no scientific evidence of

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that

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than scientific reasons right wow so so

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that's uh also for some reason the

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christian democrats

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also pretty high on this scale uh on on

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conspiracy theories in general and

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specifically corona virus 30 believe

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that the coronavirus was was created in

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a lab that it's pretty interesting i

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think uh we can go if we want to look

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into religion and beliefs a little bit

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19 of the swedish population are not

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convinced that evolution is real that

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was shocking to me that's high i'm i am

362
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surprised it's that high in this day and

363
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age yeah it is it is

364
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there's some fun findings as well uh not

365
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maybe not so serious but interesting to

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just note that yes twelve percent of all

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women believe in astrology but only four

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percent of the men

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on the other hand uh and not so

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surprisingly as well men believe more in

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ufos than women do so uh 19 of of men

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believe in ufos and it was defined as

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uh aliens have visited earth so it was

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very important very important to make

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that different distinction because yeah

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the word ufo to many people simply means

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alien spaceship that's very important

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and that was the context that we we

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asked for so 19 of men but only 12

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percent of women believe in that but

381
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it's still

382
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still high numbers i think yeah

383
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so but then if you want to i wanted to

384
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look into also what's changed since uh

385
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2015 when we did the previous report but

386
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so it's six years between the two

387
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reports

388
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uh but there's good news a belief that

389
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gmo is dangerous has fallen from 50

390
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percent to 36 and it's good so that

391
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that's good that means that if slowly

392
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slowly people are coming to

393
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to realize that gmo may not be that

394
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dangerous and as we as we know there's

395
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no scientific reason to to be afraid of

396
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inherently there's nothing wrong with

397
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gmo vaccine hesitance hesitancy is down

398
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from seven percent to three percent

399
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that's very good that that's very good

400
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and that leads me to think that

401
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the information campaigns that have

402
00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:39,920
i'm speculating now but

403
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,680
during the pandemic there's been a lot

404
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:43,839
of information about vaccines and how

405
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,079
good they are and that it works and it's

406
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safe and i think that is what we're

407
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:51,040
seeing here that that that kind of

408
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influenced this this trend belief in

409
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:57,519
acupuncture is also down from 64 percent

410
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:00,399
to 48 that that's still high but the

411
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trend is in the correct direction uh the

412
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bad there's bad news as well at least

413
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one i'll bring up

414
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the

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belief in repressed memories that you

416
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:12,559
can

417
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:15,520
get repressed memories out of somebody

418
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:17,520
you somebody has forgotten something and

419
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:20,400
you can through hypnosis or through

420
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:23,039
uh helping them to to

421
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:24,240
remember

422
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that that belief was 42 percent six

423
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:29,600
years ago just that's high but now it's

424
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50

425
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really

426
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and

427
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again i'm speculating as to why but six

428
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:41,200
years ago there's a was a big

429
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,520
scandal in sweden about repressed

430
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:45,600
memories oh yeah we shouldn't go into

431
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:47,760
all of it but it was very public and

432
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:50,080
there was a lot of talk about how it

433
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:51,840
doesn't work and there was a there was a

434
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:54,480
legal scandal somebody who was very

435
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:58,080
unfairly unfairly treated from by the

436
00:18:02,710 --> 00:17:59,679
legal system

437
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:02,720
and so it was a hot topic six years ago

438
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,200
but now nobody talks about it and then

439
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,480
the belief

440
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:08,640
creeps up again

441
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:11,200
and if that is true

442
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,240
that leads me to think that

443
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,240
you we need to keep at it

444
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,240
some beliefs that you think

445
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:20,720
you have debunked well we didn't haven't

446
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:23,039
hadn't debunked that totally six years

447
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:25,600
ago but but you think it's sort of under

448
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:28,080
control but if nobody keeps repeating

449
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,160
the message it creeps back up again so

450
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:33,120
we need to be a new generation come

451
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,679
come up yeah that's people

452
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:37,679
say that to us they say well this topic

453
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:40,559
has been well and truly debunked and and

454
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:43,760
so on so well okay yes it has been but

455
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:46,160
how about the the next generation coming

456
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:47,919
up now right they have to learn all this

457
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:50,640
stuff you know for themselves yeah did

458
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:53,039
uh is there any reference there to

459
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:55,760
things like new technology like 5g

460
00:19:02,070 --> 00:18:59,600
yeah we did ask about 5g as well 9 of

461
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:02,080
the swedish public believe that

462
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,520
the radiation from 5g masts are

463
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,000
harmful for your health that's how we

464
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,400
put the question nine percent believes

465
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:13,039
that's true and of course again

466
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:14,320
the more

467
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:18,480
with that

468
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,120
so i think still that that information

469
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:23,200
does help so we say sometimes that you

470
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:25,760
cannot convince people because they're

471
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:28,880
into certain beliefs out of emotional

472
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,360
reasons not from from logic and reason

473
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:33,840
but i do think that information help we

474
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,679
can see it in the in the vaccine

475
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,080
hesitancy that's gone down during the

476
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,640
pandemic and even in some other topics

477
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,160
that we don't need to go into now i

478
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,320
think i think it helps so that's good

479
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,240
news because you can

480
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:50,720
you can make a difference now you have

481
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:53,440
some other news for me from sweden about

482
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,559
some awards yes so just like you have in

483
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,799
in australia and there's in many other

484
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,400
countries we have

485
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,320
the annual awards from the swedish

486
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:04,880
skeptics and we we

487
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,679
hand out two awards one positive that we

488
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,400
called the enlightener of the year

489
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,159
and it's a little bit clunky in english

490
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,640
i think in swedish it sounds better

491
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,159
but

492
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:18,880
anyway so uh and we gave that to three

493
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:21,039
individuals this year this year actually

494
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,880
because they were working in the same

495
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sort of area

496
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,760
they're called maria alsain

497
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:29,600
jessica norbum

498
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,720
and jacob gudyol and i know probably

499
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,640
internationally they are not very well

500
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:36,799
known but they got the the prize for

501
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,440
promoting facts and science in the area

502
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,000
of personal training and health so they

503
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:44,080
have for several years been very

504
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:45,120
important

505
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,400
uh as a counterpart account counterpoint

506
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,679
to all the pseudoscience in in that area

507
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,000
out there you know all of the the

508
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:55,840
special herbs you're supposed to take

509
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:58,400
and steroids and stuff yeah and

510
00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:00,080
they go through what's work what's

511
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,600
working and what's not and why it

512
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:03,120
doesn't work and what's

513
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,840
and

514
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:05,760
what the scientific

515
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,559
reasons are for saying so

516
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:11,120
then what we got more unfortunately you

517
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,640
always get more or we always get more

518
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:17,280
there's always more uh press

519
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,240
about the the bad price because it's

520
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,559
it's i guess it's more interesting to to

521
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:24,720
hear about somebody who's done something

522
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,240
really bad so our bad price it's not the

523
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:30,880
bent spoon award but it's similar it's

524
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:34,640
called and this is even worse in english

525
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,200
we call it i have sort of translated it

526
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:40,400
as confounder of the year yeah i don't

527
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,520
know if confounder is a real english

528
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:45,760
name or a word but i think it's

529
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,320
understandable

530
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:51,039
and this goes uh to a journalist this

531
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,840
year

532
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,240
he's called hendrik everton

533
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:57,440
and he made a documentary uh regarding

534
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,120
the the estonia disaster estonia was a

535
00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:02,880
big cruising ship that sank in the

536
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:05,960
baltic sea in 1994.

537
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:09,360
850 people lost their lives so it was a

538
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,799
huge trauma both for sweden and the

539
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,039
country estonia because it was

540
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,760
in between those it was trafficking

541
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,799
between those two countries and

542
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,200
of course terrible

543
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,440
but this new documentary it propagates

544
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:26,960
all kinds of half truths and

545
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:30,480
conspiracies under the excuse that it's

546
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,159
only asking questions and and almost

547
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,480
everybody in sweden i think has some

548
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,039
connection to some person who died

549
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:41,919
so it's very very emotional uh still

550
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,720
after nearly 30 years

551
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,039
and in our opinion he

552
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,000
used this terrible event as an excuse to

553
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,280
further his career as a journalist

554
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,080
and to make it even worse

555
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,080
the documentary

556
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:01,200
inexplicably received a big journalist

557
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:02,240
award

558
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:03,120
uh

559
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:03,919
so

560
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,559
for that award into our

561
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,760
confounder award well pontus it's good

562
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,720
to see

563
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,240
um

564
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,400
action you know skeptical action no

565
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matter where it is in the world it's

566
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,360
it's i know i'm very pleased to see it

567
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,799
when skeptics are actually doing

568
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:23,120
something being proactive

569
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,720
investigating getting out there and

570
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collecting

571
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data so

572
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,280
we know what we're talking about i mean

573
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,960
you probably get accused

574
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,799
skeptics everywhere get accused of being

575
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,559
armchair skeptic sitting back just

576
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,799
saying i don't believe it go away ghosts

577
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,039
aren't real so it's good to demonstrate

578
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,120
to the public that that's not us at all

579
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:43,919
we actually if we if we make a statement

580
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we

581
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,720
have the the information

582
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,880
yes that's really important so where can

583
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,640
people go ponders where can they go

584
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,400
online to look at all these things

585
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:55,200
everything is available on our webpage

586
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,799
which is v o f dot e s e

587
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,039
v o f dot s e

588
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,880
well thank you very much once again

589
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,279
ponders um thank you for all the things

590
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,440
you do of course for the the wonderful

591
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,520
esp podcast

592
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well pontus all the way from beautiful

593
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,159
mama in sweden thank you very much

594
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:16,080
thanks a lot richard always great to be

595
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back on the on the show

596
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[Music]

597
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principles of curiosity is skeptoid

598
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media's 2017 film that teaches an easy

599
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method anyone can use to tell fact from

600
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fiction

601
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and now it's available on amazon prime

602
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principles of curiosity teaches the

603
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three c's challenge consider and

604
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conclude as a way to learn what's real

605
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and what's just more pop culture

606
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nonsense from the fiery depths of death

607
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valley to the farthest reaches of space

608
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principles of curiosity puts the three

609
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,919
c's to the test

610
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search amazon prime for principles of

611
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curiosity watch it enjoy it and give it

612
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a rating so it'll be suggested to other

613
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,440
prime customers who need it

614
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:20,559
principles of curiosity from skeptoid

615
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,190
some bits and pieces some bits and

616
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,679
pieces from around the internet

617
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this week to bring you on the skeptic

618
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,750
some news items and things that have

619
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:50,720
come

620
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,520
my way thanks to keen

621
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:55,840
listeners out there keeping their eyes

622
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,549
and the first story

623
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,080
oh boy

624
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,799
it reads this is from news.com.u by the

625
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,120
way by jessica wang

626
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,799
published on the 17th of january

627
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,279
anti-vaxx

628
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,880
reiki master

629
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,360
and tarot card reader

630
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,480
helen

631
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,760
healing

632
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:22,159
h-e-e-l-i-n-g

633
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,279
dean

634
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,360
in icu with covert

635
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:27,840
and this came my way via

636
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:33,190
it says in part a prominent anti-vaxxer

637
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,159
tarot

638
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,640
card reader and reiki master based in

639
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,720
the town of malambi

640
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:40,720
near byron bay is currently fighting for

641
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,400
her life in an icu ward her friend has

642
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,919
said now

643
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,919
i believe

644
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:48,960
the

645
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,159
update on this is i don't think she's in

646
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,640
critical condition anymore

647
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,679
anyway

648
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,240
helen dean who also goes by the name of

649
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,320
healing

650
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,240
was hospitalized for covert 19 on

651
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,320
christmas eve and required the support

652
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,480
of a ventilator she is also believed to

653
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:08,960
be unvaccinated well i would think

654
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,600
that's probably the case

655
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,000
sharing their well wishes on miss dean

656
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:16,799
social media a friend said miss dean has

657
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,159
since been moved to general icu for

658
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,720
ongoing care and monitoring

659
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,720
based in the byron shire town of

660
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,320
mullenbimby which is known for its

661
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,880
alternative culture ms dean also

662
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,360
regularly shares youtube videos on

663
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,760
manifestation grounding

664
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,320
and cleansing techniques and video

665
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,600
guides on

666
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,640
releasing toxic stuff

667
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,559
by using leaves

668
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:44,799
candles and bundles of sage

669
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,399
also known as smudge sticks the holistic

670
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:50,720
health practitioner has also been vocal

671
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,840
in her opposition of vaccine mandates

672
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,760
ms dean has also shared multiple

673
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,080
facebook posts against vaccine mandates

674
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,080
including photos of protesters holding

675
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:02,640
up signs with messages like

676
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:05,679
discrimination is not democracy

677
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,799
we say not to medical apartheid maybe

678
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,720
that should say we say no to medical

679
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,440
apartheid and my body my choice in

680
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:14,880
another post miss dean shared her

681
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:17,360
support for the anti-vaccine mandate

682
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,880
reclaim the line rally at tweed heads

683
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,640
and that story

684
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,799
goes on but as i

685
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:26,720
said before i believe that she's

686
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,000
probably out of danger now i think so

687
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:35,360
and a quick search around the internet i

688
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:39,360
can't see an update a recent update

689
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,279
just the the same news repeated that uh

690
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,919
she is uh was in hospital i guess the

691
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:48,480
point is that uh all the reiki in the

692
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,600
world

693
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,039
and all the

694
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,640
sage

695
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:55,279
uh doesn't mean anything against covert

696
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:56,480
covert

697
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,000
doesn't care if you're a reiki master

698
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,240
it really doesn't

699
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:05,039
the next story along the same lines of

700
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,080
uh

701
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,559
covert 19 and people

702
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:11,279
catching that comes to us

703
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:14,960
once again from news.com.edu

704
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:18,320
and this is by alexis carey

705
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,679
unvaccinated czech singer hannah hawker

706
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,399
i think it's pronounced dies days after

707
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,279
getting curved 19 on purpose

708
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:29,279
a well-known unvaccinated european

709
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,559
singer has died just days after

710
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,240
intentionally catching covert 19 leaving

711
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:36,799
behind her shattered family what a sad

712
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,399
story it says the devastated son of a

713
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,480
well-known anti-vac singer who died

714
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,559
after catching covert on purpose has

715
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,760
spoken out

716
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,480
warning others not to follow his

717
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:51,360
mother's path hannah hawker

718
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,760
57 was a member of czech folk banned

719
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,640
accidents and had refused to be

720
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,279
vaccinated against the virus

721
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:04,559
when her husband and son jan wreck

722
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,679
who are both fully vaccinated contracted

723
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,840
covert around christmas she refused to

724
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,520
isolate from them

725
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:13,440
instead she opted to deliberately

726
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,039
contract the illness in order to gain a

727
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,240
check health pass which allows access to

728
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:22,960
public venues to those who can provide

729
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,760
proof of vaccination or recent recovery

730
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,200
from the virus

731
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,840
venues such as cinemas restaurants and

732
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:31,919
bars are currently off limits to the

733
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,399
unvaccinated in the nation

734
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,600
mr rick told the bbc his mother had died

735
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:39,919
suddenly on sunday after her condition

736
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,120
seemingly started to improve

737
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,039
he says she

738
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:47,919
should have isolated for a week

739
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:50,880
because we tested positive but she was

740
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,600
with us the whole time mr wreck told the

741
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,960
bbc

742
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,399
of his mother's decision to

743
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,039
intentionally catch the virus

744
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,640
in about 10 minutes it was all over

745
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,799
she choked to death

746
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:06,799
her philosophy was that she was more

747
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,000
okay with the idea of catching covert

748
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,240
than getting the vaccine he told

749
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,200
reporter ben tobias his mother would not

750
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,880
listen when family members tried to

751
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,760
persuade her to get the vaccine

752
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,000
and said he wanted to share his family's

753
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,760
story in the hope of convincing others

754
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,120
to take the

755
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,080
covered threat seriously if you have

756
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,320
living examples from real life it's more

757
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,480
powerful than just graphs and numbers

758
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,240
you can't really sympathize with numbers

759
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,630
well

760
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:41,039
i guess and the story goes on with some

761
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,480
more details there but i guess one of

762
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,720
the very very very

763
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,799
ironic and sad things about this whole

764
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,960
story is

765
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,679
yes it it may it may persuade some

766
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,960
people to change their mind and get the

767
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:54,240
vaccination

768
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,039
but

769
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,519
not many nor should i say there will be

770
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,360
still thousands and thousands of people

771
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,840
who probably hear about this story who

772
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,799
will not will not will not

773
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:06,960
change their mind

774
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,679
and sadly some of those people too will

775
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,120
catch covert

776
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,200
and die because of it

777
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,840
and finally in this little round up

778
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,279
i want to

779
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:19,200
relay one more

780
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,320
um

781
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,720
sponsored advertisement that appeared on

782
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,480
my facebook feed

783
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,279
i did a segment a week or two a go about

784
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,039
strange um

785
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,760
advertisements i see on my facebook feed

786
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,640
this one is a real doozy

787
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:35,760
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788
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,320
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789
00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:41,679
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790
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,440
our

791
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,279
multi-dimensional reality

792
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:46,960
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793
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,480
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794
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:52,720
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795
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,279
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796
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,279
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797
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:00,240
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798
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,640
ayden and special guests sinead whelan

799
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,799
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800
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:07,760
and

801
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,240
access to the live event on january 23rd

802
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:16,799
in this event you'll learn one

803
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:20,960
how humans make contact with et's

804
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:23,679
what's going on with abductions et

805
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:26,559
contact and the reality of ufos learn

806
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,519
about the contact modalities employed by

807
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:31,360
humans and et's

808
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,159
and how first contact is beginning

809
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:36,240
well it's about time

810
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,760
it's about time two what's going on with

811
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:41,440
disclosure

812
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,799
occurring learn about why there is a

813
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:48,720
cover-up

814
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,720
citizens can support the disclosure

815
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,799
movement three

816
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,960
our et experiences

817
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,519
jenna and her guests are

818
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:01,039
experiences

819
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:05,200
of supernatural phenomena and et contact

820
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:08,000
learn about the awakening process how we

821
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,359
can integrate these experiences and what

822
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:13,280
we can all learn

823
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,480
from the

824
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,679
star

825
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:17,760
races

826
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,200
she means

827
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,320
races of aliens from

828
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:29,040
the stars

829
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:30,560
it could be

830
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,960
first one to alpha centauri and back

831
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,159
wins

832
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,760
and it lists the people involved but

833
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:38,960
just quickly

834
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,480
found a host generaton jenna is a former

835
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,240
global vice president for whole foods

836
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,079
market and has been

837
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,879
leading teams and individuals through

838
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:51,280
change and transformation for over 15

839
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,159
years

840
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,159
as an experiencer of supernatural

841
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,680
phenomena and et contact jenna

842
00:35:05,430 --> 00:34:59,920
is has

843
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,440
for helping humans

844
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,839
embrace a multi-dimensional reality

845
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,200
without fear

846
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:12,000
through those experiences jenna began

847
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:13,280
remembering

848
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,240
lives

849
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,680
off earth and is now focused on her

850
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:18,640
mission

851
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:22,400
in this life to be a teacher of lost

852
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,599
knowledge and wisdom from the stars now

853
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:28,560
shamanic practitioner and spiritual

854
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:31,839
slash cosmic guide jenna connects

855
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,000
ancient wisdom new mind-body science

856
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,160
and universal spiritual teachings to

857
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:40,800
assist people in navigating their

858
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,359
heading and spiritual transformation in

859
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,160
early 2021 jenna founded star family

860
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,720
wisdom an online educational platform

861
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,960
and community where she offers shamanic

862
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:53,440
initiation and digital courses on

863
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,640
spirituality shamanism eti contact and

864
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,440
personal evolution she is also a member

865
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,160
of the cherokee nation in oklahoma and

866
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,680
is a passionate advocate for the

867
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,280
indigenous communities and wisdom

868
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,760
keepers who have been fierce protectors

869
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,119
of humanity's original wisdom i wonder

870
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,920
what they have to say about

871
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,480
that somebody claiming to make contact

872
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,040
with them

873
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,359
aliens and their

874
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,800
races

875
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:25,680
so there you go make contact

876
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,640
with our free et contact event at the

877
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,920
bottom of the page it says can you

878
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,240
imagine a future that includes traveling

879
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,320
among the stars

880
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:35,599
yes

881
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,400
future that includes returning to

882
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,640
balance harmony and a peaceful way of

883
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,480
life

884
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,960
returning to balance harmony

885
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,040
returning

886
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,640
a future that allows our human

887
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,440
creativity and joy to flourish

888
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,520
well you know

889
00:37:03,109 --> 00:36:59,920
certainly that can happen now a future

890
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,119
that includes open contact and exciting

891
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,240
exchange programs with star races

892
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,480
should be a children's cartoon star

893
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,910
a future that includes a healed

894
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,400
transformed and spiritually evolved

895
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,960
society question mark

896
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,359
um i agree with the question mark

897
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:23,920
because that's where we're headed

898
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:26,880
learn more in the live event on january

899
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,950
well there you go just a few bits and

900
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,720
pieces items odds and ends that have

901
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,280
come my way over the course of the last

902
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,680
week next week i'll be looking at more

903
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,920
tips from listeners

904
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:44,000
that come in occasionally which i

905
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,359
appreciate

906
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,119
and some other news

907
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,440
doing the rounds

908
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,920
but for now i'm off to watch the star

909
00:38:06,710 --> 00:37:53,920
races

910
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,950
hello this is maynard did you know that

911
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:10,560
you could listen to the skeptic zone on

912
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:14,000
youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

913
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,190
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

914
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,520
with michelle bigesma and funny sketches

915
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,040
with richard saunders and a host of

916
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:29,910
just click on the youtube links on the

917
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:47,350
[Music]

918
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,400
yes it's time once again to look into

919
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:56,160
the digital archives

920
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,880
well

921
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,800
from around the world this week we're

922
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,440
going to be looking at uh references

923
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,119
from the united states of america

924
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,839
newspapers over the decades normally

925
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,000
it's australian this week we're going a

926
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,079
bit further afield

927
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:12,480
and we're going to be researching the

928
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,599
term

929
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:14,960
remote

930
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,720
for those of you who have not heard the

931
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,800
topic or the term

932
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,640
according to the skeptics dictionary at

933
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,960
skeptic.com

934
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,520
remote viewing rv

935
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,839
is a fancy name for telepathy or

936
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,400
clairvoyance the alleged psychic ability

937
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,040
to perceive places persons and actions

938
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,720
that are not within the range of the

939
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:43,040
senses the term seems to have been

940
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,040
invented by physicist dr russell targ

941
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,880
and the physicist

942
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,400
scientologist

943
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,560
dr harold putoff

944
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,880
to describe their work with alleged

945
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,200
psychics for the us government in a

946
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,079
project known as stargate

947
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:02,640
if the remote viewer gets messages from

948
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,839
a site from a person who is at the site

949
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,319
looking around then it would be

950
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:10,640
telepathy if the remote viewer gets a

951
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,160
message from a site by perceiving the

952
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,400
site physically

953
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,720
then it would be clairvoyance

954
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,720
if the viewer gets impressions of the

955
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,720
site from the future then it would be

956
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:25,280
precognition if he gets impressions from

957
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,560
someone who

958
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:29,119
viewed the site in the past then it

959
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,359
would be

960
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:33,119
retrocognition if he gets messages from

961
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,800
the akashic record or the 11th dimension

962
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,400
wasn't that a pop group

963
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,280
um or directly from some god then

964
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,920
another explanation is needed

965
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,760
now this page is quite

966
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:48,240
lengthy as it turns out but remote

967
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,359
viewing a bit later on it says the cia

968
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,000
the cia and the us army thought enough

969
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,680
of remote viewing to spend millions of

970
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,319
taxpayers dollars on stargate the

971
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,400
program involved using

972
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,480
psychics for such operations as trying

973
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,200
to locate qadhafi of libya

974
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,000
so our air force could drop bombs on him

975
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:12,319
and the locating of

976
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,440
a missing airplane in africa

977
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,760
but to to get to the nub

978
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,599
to boil it down the claim is you can sit

979
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,960
in a room

980
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,200
and perceive things that are happening

981
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,440
in another room or another city or

982
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,720
another country etc etc

983
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,960
in other words you can view events

984
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,880
remotely you don't have to be there you

985
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,960
can be sequestered away

986
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,680
and

987
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,480
somehow the information of events in the

988
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,319
next room the next house the next city

989
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,599
the next country

990
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:43,599
are coming to you via psychic or

991
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,829
and as it happens we do have a search

992
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:53,440
return here from australia to kick

993
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,560
things off

994
00:41:59,180 --> 00:41:56,480
from the canberra times dated the 30th

995
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,190
of november 1995.

996
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,040
[Music]

997
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:04,480
scientific study proves and proves his

998
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,319
in inverted commas esp works for some

999
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,280
washington wednesday some people might

1000
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,440
have a paranormal ability to visualize

1001
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:15,359
hidden or distant objects without

1002
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,319
actually seeing them a cia commissioned

1003
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,280
study made public yesterday as reported

1004
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,680
the study by the american institute for

1005
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,480
research a private washington social

1006
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,480
science research firm

1007
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,280
said quote statistically significant

1008
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,280
when quote results have been observed in

1009
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,400
the laboratory experiments to test

1010
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:39,280
extra sensory perception which it called

1011
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:40,400
quote

1012
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,640
intelligence agency commissioned the

1013
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,720
study at the request of the senate

1014
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,200
appropriations committee keen to know

1015
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,119
whether more government research into

1016
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,599
parapsychology was warranted to give the

1017
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:56,079
u.s spy agencies an extra arrow to their

1018
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,280
quiver

1019
00:43:02,790 --> 00:42:59,200
the findings were made public after they

1020
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,800
were cited by abc news david christian a

1021
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,520
cia spokesman declined to discuss

1022
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,160
examples of cia use of so-called psychic

1023
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,359
spying

1024
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,160
but said almost all of its research in

1025
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,480
the 1970s was quote

1026
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,720
experimental end quote

1027
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,119
the defense intelligence agency which

1028
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,760
coordinates military intelligence had no

1029
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,040
comment

1030
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,200
a statistics professor from the

1031
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,079
university of california davis jessica

1032
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,720
utz and that name has come up before i'm

1033
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,920
sure

1034
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,480
who worked on the study and specializes

1035
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,599
in evaluating parapsychological research

1036
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,079
said the data she reviewed for the cia

1037
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,319
study had produced the most credible

1038
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:44,800
evidence to date that humans were

1039
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,920
capable of paranormal psychic feats

1040
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:49,839
at this stage using the standards

1041
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,480
applied to any other area of science the

1042
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,440
case for psychic functioning has been

1043
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:58,640
statistically proven she said

1044
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,319
and that story is from reuter

1045
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,319
well well well so she thinks it was

1046
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,680
proven all the way back in 1995

1047
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,839
hmm that news hasn't reached the rest of

1048
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,000
us yet evidently

1049
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:14,880
and now from the daily texan

1050
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:19,040
published in march march 23 1998 remote

1051
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:20,839
viewing remote

1052
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,839
possibility by rowan weidner texan

1053
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,200
columnist

1054
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,000
paul h smith a graduate student in the

1055
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,800
philosophy department has a wonderful

1056
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,160
biography

1057
00:44:35,550 --> 00:44:34,800
an army career officer he worked mainly

1058
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:35,560
in

1059
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:43,119
service he holds the utterly marvelous

1060
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,640
distinction of being one of the few

1061
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,560
government employees to be formally

1062
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:48,880
schooled in quote

1063
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,920
remote viewing end quote smith tells us

1064
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:54,800
that the cia explained that remote

1065
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,160
viewing is a skill by which a person can

1066
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,240
perceive objects persons or events at a

1067
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,520
location removed from him or her

1068
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,839
by either space or time

1069
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,839
the prospect that remote viewing can

1070
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,440
lead to valuable intelligence

1071
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,000
information led the cia to run a 20

1072
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,000
million program to exploit remote

1073
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,880
viewing as an intelligence asset some of

1074
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,119
you may remember remote viewing from

1075
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,520
last year's fiasco

1076
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,640
when emory university professor courtney

1077
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,720
brown loosely connected with the same

1078
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:28,880
cia programmer smith

1079
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:32,880
remotely viewed comet heil bop and

1080
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,160
declared that there was a planet-sized

1081
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,720
spaceship in its wake

1082
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,520
this arguably tipped the delicate

1083
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,160
personalities of the heavens gate cult

1084
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,040
over the edge leading to their early

1085
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,000
rendezvous with oblivion

1086
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,000
smith has begun his own training

1087
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:54,640
institute remote viewing instructional

1088
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,560
services rvis based in round rock and

1089
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:01,280
the website listed here if it's still in

1090
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,710
so ourviewer.com you can

1091
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:13,359
learn remote viewing from courtney brown

1092
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,400
but all the crazy space alien garbage

1093
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,680
that comes with it is worthless explains

1094
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,720
smith

1095
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,599
well

1096
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:24,480
any critic of courtney brown is a friend

1097
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,599
of ours

1098
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,880
so we will give smith the benefit of the

1099
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,119
doubt in fact we will do better than

1100
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,440
that we will assume his claims are worth

1101
00:46:36,030 --> 00:46:34,960
investigating

1102
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,040
in the

1103
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:38,720
rvis basic course

1104
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:41,680
you will learn to detect and decode the

1105
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,880
major gestalt of a target

1106
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,280
describe sensory impressions from the

1107
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,079
site and grasp its fundamental

1108
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:52,640
dimensional characteristics

1109
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,280
claims the rvis website it works

1110
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,560
like this

1111
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,359
a target coordinator describes what will

1112
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,319
be viewed he describes a place such as a

1113
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,720
certain building a particular canyon or

1114
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:09,599
a specific airport and a certain time

1115
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,800
generally the present or the past

1116
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:15,200
remote viewing the future is possible as

1117
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,000
well

1118
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,880
but as smith correctly explained there

1119
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:21,520
are some tricky logical complications

1120
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,880
the target coordinator then generates a

1121
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,200
encrypted coordinate

1122
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:29,680
which contains the coordinator's intent

1123
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,960
to view that specific location then a

1124
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,119
mediator who does not know the nature of

1125
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:37,520
the location to be viewed gives the

1126
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,640
remote viewer the encrypted coordinate

1127
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,720
the viewer then goes about his or her

1128
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:45,359
collection of information regarding the

1129
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:48,800
major gestalt of the object

1130
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,240
advanced viewers can often get extremely

1131
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:54,319
specific information

1132
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:58,480
unlike most psychics smith seems to have

1133
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,000
an appreciation of double-blind studies

1134
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,160
we are honor skeptics who are sure that

1135
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,960
stuff like this in a hip cool universe

1136
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,599
should be possible therefore we have

1137
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,559
created a friendly hopeful and honest

1138
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,359
challenge for smith and his students

1139
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,160
we have established a database of places

1140
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,520
on earth with the intent that they be

1141
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,960
attended

1142
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,760
to

1143
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,240
by a remote viewer we have encrypted

1144
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:29,119
their coordinates the master list has

1145
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:32,480
been sealed and is being securely held

1146
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:33,440
by

1147
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,040
at the leisure of smith and his students

1148
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,000
we encourage them to view these sites

1149
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,200
and deliver to us by email their summary

1150
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,160
of the major gestalt sensory impressions

1151
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,839
and fundamental dimensional

1152
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,400
characteristics since we consider

1153
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,119
ourselves progressive skeptics we will

1154
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:57,520
even ask smith to provide his analysis

1155
00:49:01,589 --> 00:49:00,640
and make independent quote hit slash

1156
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,599
miss

1157
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,920
end quote determinations

1158
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,079
we promise no trickery and a clean

1159
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,640
protocol the exact protocol and the

1160
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:11,280
encrypted coordinates can be found

1161
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:12,559
at

1162
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,309
tilde r-w-y-n-a-r

1163
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:24,950
remote viewing dot html

1164
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,240
all readers are invited to participate

1165
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,720
smith specifically claims to have viewed

1166
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,000
targets as

1167
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:34,400
interesting as hale bop he saw nothing

1168
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:35,520
unusual

1169
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:39,200
pan and flight 800 and a remarkable

1170
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:42,720
precognitive session by two days of the

1171
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,400
iraqi missile striking the uss stark

1172
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,640
we want to believe

1173
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,760
widener is a physics graduate student it

1174
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,800
says

1175
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:55,200
now let's have a look to see if there's

1176
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,960
anything still at that website

1177
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:01,200
and believe it or not using the wayback

1178
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,400
machine

1179
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,480
i found an archived version of that

1180
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,400
website welcome to the national remote

1181
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,800
viewing progress check

1182
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:10,960
purpose good protocol honest and fair

1183
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,760
feedback the purpose of this site is to

1184
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:15,760
provide both students and participants

1185
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:18,800
of remote viewing a source of prepared

1186
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,920
encrypted coordinates that are honestly

1187
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,240
and securely maintained

1188
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,000
and it goes on if i scroll down there's

1189
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,839
a target list here

1190
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,440
and of course

1191
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,880
all the

1192
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,319
uh

1193
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,400
all the items were closed a long time

1194
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:35,920
ago

1195
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:39,520
during the year 1998

1196
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:40,480
let me

1197
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,920
just click on one target 9 for example

1198
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,000
and it appears to be mount rushmore a

1199
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,480
set of coordinates and

1200
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:50,800
some more information on the page there

1201
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,000
about the the session and the summary

1202
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,680
i'll link to that in the show notes you

1203
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,920
might be interested to see

1204
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,079
but we'll end with a

1205
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,599
page here

1206
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:03,359
or a couple of pages from the roswell

1207
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,839
daily record dated the first of july

1208
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,040
2017 and

1209
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,760
there's a photograph here

1210
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,520
of a man standing in front of a

1211
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:16,480
projection with a crudely drawn

1212
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,680
classic movie alien on the big eyes

1213
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,599
and the captain says courtney brown

1214
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:23,839
points to a still from the documentary

1215
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:26,960
roswell crash at cornea

1216
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:30,400
at a drawing of an extraterrestrial he

1217
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:31,359
claims

1218
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:34,240
crashed near roswell in 1947 brown

1219
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,520
argues that

1220
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,839
through the use of remote viewing

1221
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,760
a mental process involving psychic

1222
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,079
ability that allows the transfer of

1223
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,640
information across time and space he is

1224
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,400
able to prove it was not a weather

1225
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,760
balloon

1226
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:49,680
that crashed near roswell

1227
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,880
and the story goes speaker declares ufo

1228
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,599
did crash in roswell remote viewing a

1229
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,480
form of psychic ability helps prove

1230
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,359
extraterrestrial theory brown says

1231
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,880
by katie moss

1232
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,119
roswell daily record

1233
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:07,920
there were many topics discussed during

1234
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,160
the first day of the roswell daily

1235
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,880
record sponsored event the roswell

1236
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,640
incident but perhaps the most

1237
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,240
captivating was courtney brown's

1238
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,800
declaration that extraterrestrials

1239
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:19,599
did

1240
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,880
in fact crash near roswell 70 years ago

1241
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,280
he said during his presentation friday

1242
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:27,440
he discovered it through the phenomenon

1243
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,319
of remote viewing a controlled tangible

1244
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,960
mental process involving psychic ability

1245
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,119
that transfers perceptual information

1246
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,359
across time and space

1247
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,440
with the evidence that followed he said

1248
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:41,760
it was more than a weather balloon that

1249
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,640
crashed in july 1947

1250
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,119
brown is the director and founder of the

1251
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,520
farsight institute a not-for-profit

1252
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,680
research and educational organization

1253
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,040
dedicated

1254
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,119
to understanding remote viewing through

1255
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,640
the process of scientific

1256
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,160
experimentation

1257
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,800
according to the organization's website

1258
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:03,119
he told audience members three

1259
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:06,880
individuals performed a remote viewing

1260
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:09,520
on the crash of roswell in the two-part

1261
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,280
documentary roswell crash at corona in

1262
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:15,920
the documentary dick a gear

1263
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,960
daz smith and aziz brown

1264
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,960
are the three individuals who perform

1265
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,559
the remote viewing

1266
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,880
without any communication between them

1267
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,200
as well as working alone they all came

1268
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,359
to the same conclusion

1269
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:31,680
brown said they found that a

1270
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:34,480
crash did occur and that the ship was

1271
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,680
part of an extraterrestrial fleet

1272
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,000
interestingly enough the occupants were

1273
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,480
not wearing seat belts

1274
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:44,640
the remote viewers also discovered the

1275
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:45,720
craft's

1276
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,000
transportation was across time and space

1277
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,720
and was interdimensional the occupants

1278
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,440
could view their travel across screens

1279
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,839
that showed interdimensional and time

1280
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:58,960
elements

1281
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,800
in addition they found that the ship

1282
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,440
traveled over at least one city before

1283
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,200
crashing near roswell

1284
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,920
the occupants in the ship were hairless

1285
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,400
slender and appeared frail

1286
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,720
according to the remote viewers findings

1287
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,680
they had large black oval-shaped eyes

1288
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,599
brown also told audience members that

1289
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:19,359
their remote viewers discovered

1290
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,880
information on the origins of the ufo

1291
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,280
their findings suggest that the craft

1292
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,839
had previous locations

1293
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,880
was occasionally stored underground and

1294
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,119
flew with a fleet in space

1295
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,200
also all of the subjects in and around

1296
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,960
were humanoid meaning they looked

1297
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,720
similar to humans

1298
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,040
in his presentation brown said that

1299
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,640
remote viewers from the farsight

1300
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,200
institute also participate in a monthly

1301
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:46,960
project called

1302
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:49,760
the time cross project in which they

1303
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,119
predict major news events a month before

1304
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:55,359
they occur the sessions are recorded

1305
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,240
live

1306
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,559
and then uploaded to youtube

1307
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,559
before he revealed what the remote

1308
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,960
viewers discovered brown spent the first

1309
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,799
30 minutes of his presentation

1310
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,200
explaining the theory of remote viewing

1311
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,280
after his presentation audience members

1312
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,680
watched both parts of the documentary

1313
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,720
chase kolinsky a member of the mutual

1314
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,280
ufo network mufon

1315
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,599
and an active investigator in national

1316
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,200
ufo cases

1317
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,280
introducing the event this is going to

1318
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,040
be a memorable weekend as we all

1319
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,200
celebrate the event that sparked the

1320
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,119
modern ufo era

1321
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,799
she said

1322
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,200
it was the roswell daily record that

1323
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,880
broke the story and it's most

1324
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,559
appropriate it's really exciting to

1325
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:38,720
spend this special time with roswell

1326
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:41,680
staff and volunteers that work at the

1327
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,559
paper

1328
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,720
she introduced david marlard the first

1329
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,520
speaker of friday's event mala

1330
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,920
conducted numerous investigations into

1331
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:51,839
alleged ufo sightings and related

1332
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,559
experiences during his tenure with the

1333
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,760
mufon

1334
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:58,319
he also sounds like a biscuit doesn't it

1335
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,559
i'll have a chocolate mufon please

1336
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,880
he also owns one of the largest personal

1337
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,520
libraries of ufo journal's books case

1338
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,680
files newspaper clippings and magazines

1339
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,079
from across the world the collection

1340
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,200
covers the last 65 years

1341
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:16,559
in his talk

1342
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:17,520
titled

1343
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,359
new mexico and 1947 setting the stage

1344
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,440
mahler analyzed new mexico's military

1345
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,680
history and technological developments

1346
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,920
near the time of the crash

1347
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:29,760
he argued that if an outside

1348
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,880
intelligence such as extraterrestrials

1349
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,079
wanted to

1350
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,480
judge the level of human technology on

1351
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,520
earth

1352
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,839
new mexico would have been the optimal

1353
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,240
choice he stressed that roswell was not

1354
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,480
the start of the ufo phenomenon

1355
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:46,960
he examined the ufo cases that occurred

1356
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:50,240
before the infamous roswell crash

1357
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,359
an example being the battle of la

1358
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,160
which occurred in 1942

1359
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,040
richard m dolan will start off the last

1360
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,280
day of the event on sunday

1361
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,040
a full speaker panel with audience

1362
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,040
participation will follow

1363
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,119
the event will end with an award

1364
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,760
presentation josh gates the host and

1365
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,640
executive producer of the hit travel

1366
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,480
channel show

1367
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,880
expedition unknown is scheduled to make

1368
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,359
a guest appearance at the roswell

1369
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,920
incident although the date and time of

1370
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:24,240
his appearance was unknown by press time

1371
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:25,280
friday

1372
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,799
for a complete look at the schedule or

1373
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:28,640
to find out more information on the

1374
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,870
now

1375
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,280
normally you're used to me saying oh i

1376
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,720
wish i was there i wish i could have

1377
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,119
been a fly on the wall but having been

1378
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:44,240
to various talks about ufos

1379
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:47,920
um no it's all right

1380
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,640
i don't mind missing out

1381
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,880
well there you go just a few examples of

1382
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,520
the term the use of the term remote

1383
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,240
viewing from the pages of newspapers

1384
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,640
here in australia and in the united

1385
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,559
states and that last one interesting

1386
00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:04,000
combining both

1387
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:07,360
remote viewing and ufos

1388
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,960
[Music]

1389
00:58:17,309 --> 00:58:14,960
and you too can combine all sorts of

1390
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,319
things when you go to trove at

1391
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,960
trove.nla.gov.eu if you're here in

1392
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,599
australia you can do what i did

1393
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,240
and look up your ancestors if they've

1394
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,400
been here long enough and i discovered

1395
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,839
interesting clippings about my

1396
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,480
grandfather some years ago but as i

1397
00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:33,040
always like to say you'll never know

1398
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:53,120
[Music]

1399
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,950
[Applause]

1400
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,640
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1401
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,400
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1402
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,720
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1403
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,480
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1404
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,400
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1405
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,559
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1406
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,480
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1407
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,640
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1408
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,680
a week

1409
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,839
some people chip in five or ten or

1410
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,280
twenty even

1411
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:17,440
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chip in a lot more once in a while

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you can also go to skepticzone.tv

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click the subscriptions or the paypal

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link or the patreon link

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00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:30,160
and on the next page you'll see my

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amazon wishlist link

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and that's got some

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technical gear that can help the skeptic

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zone

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00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,119
coming up on next week's show who knows

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i can't see the future i just get susan

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00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:45,599
gerbic i cannot see the future susan

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00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:48,079
knows full well she was a vital part of

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00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,760
the great australian psychic prediction

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00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,599
project and a big shout out to susan

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this week somebody who has done more for

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00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,319
skepticism than just about anybody i

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01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,640
know but until next week and who knows

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01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:00,480
what'll be on the show i'll have to come

1431
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,839
up with something i guess this is

1432
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:04,400
richard saunders signing off from sydney

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01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:14,480
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01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,710
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1444
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:39,920
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1448
01:01:02,870 --> 01:00:49,680
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1449
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,630
now i'll have to pause here for a moment

1450
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because the man with the leaf blower is

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coming and he's going to blow leaves

1452
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,079
under the door and i have to put

1453
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something in the door i'll be back yeah

1454
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,920
okay good i'll keep the recording going

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01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:16,640
and you'll just have to edit it out

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so

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the cats have are very scared and have

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01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,630
all right all right you two there you

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01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:26,240
are it's all right honey it's all right

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01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,119
you

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yeah yeah they're really good

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01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,510
yeah it's scary stuff right leaf blowers

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hang on sorry i've just paused again

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01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:39,359
this is they're at the door now and the

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cats are going i know i can hear them

1466
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:42,720
yeah it's all right hey come on it's all

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right i know i know more come here come

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hang on

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[Music]

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01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,880
it's all right you're hiding there you

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01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,960
want to go out are you sure all right

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01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,720
you too well if you're going to go out

1473
01:02:02,870 --> 01:01:56,799
go out go on

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very well organized to interview this

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in the studio i'm sorry

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[Laughter]

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01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:13,280
the crash was a result of an external

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energy discharge that caused the ship to

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01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,960
malfunction

1480
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:19,440
interestingly enough the occupants were

1481
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,029
i'm sorry

1482
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,069
the occupants were not wearing seat

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oh dear come on be professional